I don't disagree with the fear of giving them an inch and them taking a mile. Really I don't, and I hope you got that sense in how I worded what I said.

That said, I'm not against at least considering some sort of compromise, as long as a dedicated archery only season continues to exist. And I don't mean a shortened one either!

I think that compromise was the last weekend in October. As well as the removal of the draw weight limit. AND the introduction of the draw-loc!

I think there are plenty of compromises that will allow youth to hunt October Whitetails.

I think a simple "No" will suffice.

I will say that I do believe that more than one year needs to pass to see what, if any effect the above changes had on participation.

the draw lock has been legal for, I think, 4 years now. No noticeable difference. I don't think they were the marketing wonder the manufacturers thought they'd be.

I don't know how long the last weekend has been youth, I think about 12?

Minimum draw weight removal, I think, can be used very positively, if done right and responsibly. It can also bite us in the butt.

we will compramise ourselves right out of a bow season if we are not dilligent ! just remember it is alot harder to remove something than it is to block it upon its first awarence.if we give in to this for 1 year or 5 we are doomed,you can mark my words.there is no room for complacency here.it is this kind of apathy that will have our right to keep and bear arms up for grab next.it is called pork and it is how things get passed always on the cuff of a well meant and foreseeably great idea.we cannot blink here.

I am assuming that your comments are in response to my statements above. If not, then I'm off base and apologize. If so, you do not know me well enough to characterize me or my thoughts in such a manner.

roscoe no i do not believe i know you and i am not trying to put off on you i am trying to save the organization that i love and believe in with all my heart.and if we start saying compromise and such some new archers that do not know the struggle we have had to get to where we are today will be tempted to agree and a little or all is lost.i have said it before and will say it again this is not about kids/youth it is about parents who do not want to take time out of their season to hunt jr.or miss jr.this way they can get the kids hunt over before they start hunting the rut and the big boys.i meant no offence i am just trying to keep what we have and a break in the ranks with words like compromise and give start the undoing ,so i am a if you are not with me you are against me on this issue guy.and i will see you and shake your hand at the end of the race no matter what the outcome.nor what side you take.keep em in the 12 ring

Thanks for the reply nbt.:)

wow, just finished reading all the posts and nothing i can really add, that has not already been said, except i don't think the kiddo's need a special gun season all of oct. i'm a firm believer in teaching a kid to hunt. i don't think it needs to be during the oct. season, there are some other more optimal times that have already been explained in previous posts

I think any compromise is a loss. They want it, we dont. Anything that allows it to happen no matter how limited is a loss for our side.

I said in my first post on this topic that it could/would get ugly. Any time you speak out AGAINST something that has been packaged as FOR kids most people automatically put you on the "wrong" side.

The LSBA must stick to its bow's on this issue.
It would be prudent to offer options, that way we are part of the solution not part of the problem.
The EC needs to brainstorm and come up with 3 -5 viable options for extending/enhancing the youth season. Or come up with an acceptable reason to end youth seasons all together.

Maybe we could champion a "hunt with your kids" week. Develop guidelines, literature, rules and regs. Put together a list of goals for hunting with kids/introducing kids to hunting.
This is a main goal of the LSBA already, how many youth shoots do yall put on every year? This could be an option to end youth seasons all together.

If we could propose something like this and make it Nov 1st - 7th or even the 10th I think everyone would win. The State would accomplish their goal of having a program in place to incourage youth hunting, and we would still have an Archery only month (except for MLD lands).

Just a thought.

And you had the armageddon flags out for that as well. Look we're still here!:D

We didn't have anything out when they put it on the books. They just did it. I think 2 years prior we'd talked them out of it. Then Keith Warren jumped in with both feet to get it publicity. A couple EC members met up with him to hunt and talk. He decided it wasn't all that great after all. Or, so it seemed. The next year when we opened our annual, there it was.

I still don't like the draw lock. I just hope someone doesn't hurt their self with one. Like a kid... ;)

Any thoughts on this?

Good idea, Bad idea, Good idea but I dont have any suggestions........

Given some direction, I think I can help.
Or on second thought maybe a public forum isnt the best place to work on strategy. :think:

I agree with you, Frank!

Do you honestly think this is the only site I come to(edit)? I am a HUNTER, not a BOW hunter, not a RIFLE hunter, but a HUNTER. Sadly though I see in ALL the sites I go to this arrogance that one person's bull crap don't stink worse then others. Unlike Travis I'm done arguing this issue.

I wish ya'll well in any and all endeavors hunting and life, and good day.

And you haven't been either there kettle???:think::think::err:

Thanks for being a man of your word. :D